| Subject: What is the meaning of the "time" parameter?
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:16:17 +0100 From: "Dimiter G. Chakalov" <dchakalov@surfeu.at> To: Saul Youssef <youssef@bu.edu>, youssef@fnal.gov CC: George Sudarshan <sudarshan@physics.utexas.edu>, Erasmo Recami <Erasmo.Recami@mi.infn.it> BCC: [snip] Dear Professor Youssef, I'm reading your newest hep-th/0110253 [Ref. 1] with immense interest. I believe the question in the subject line, taken from [Ref. 1], is related to the main issue of how to cancel probabilities: "A modified probability theory must provide a way for probabilities to cancel each other and so an obvious first guess is to allow probabilities to be complex numbers" [Ref. 2]. Have you thought about introducing two modes of time, one in which "particle in R^3 is somewhere in R^3 at each time", interpreted in [Ref. 1] as the "proper time or path length parameter" (I call it 'global time'), and another mode of time (local time mode in which things "happen"), in which a student will observe in her/his past light cone that a state $(1/2,1/2)$ had*already* evolved into $(1,0)$ [Ref. 2]? I'm sure this is not new at all, these two modes of time can be traced back to Whitehead, but I couldn't find relevant references at
http://physics.bu.edu/~youssef/quantum/quantum.html
With kind regards, Dimiter G. Chakalov
References [Ref. 1] Saul Youssef. Physics with exotic
probability theory. Mon, 29 Oct 2001 06:07:02 GMT,
"With probability theory modified, there is no need for
the usual "wave-particle duality" and one is free
to assume, for example, that a particle in R^3
is somewhere in R^3 at each time. Introducing such
"state spaces" and assuming that probabilities have a square
norm, exotic probabilities acquire the power to predict
real non-negative frequencies and are limited to three
algebras: reals, complex numbers and quaternions.
"Srinivasan has realized that one should expect even more
interesting results in field theory because
exotic probability theory cannot produce the apparent
divergences which are so common in quantum field theory. Indeed, he has shown
that with his quaternionic probability version of canonical quantization,
he gets the correct result for the Lamb shift without
having to add a cutoff momentum [S.K. Srinivasan,
J. Phys. A Math. Gen. 31 (1998)].
"Bell's result and two of the more well known variations are considered in reference 3 in some detail and are shown not to eliminate exotic probabilities. There has also been an increasing tendency to refer to Bell and similar results as "non-local" effects because they cannot be explained by local correlations [S. Youssef, Phys. Lett. A204, 181 (1995)]. The point is, however, that if one has the wrong probability theory, one may also have the wrong notion of what is just a correlation. Within exotic probability theory, we expect that Bell's results are just correlations in the new probability theory. ... "What is the meaning of the "time" parameter? "Although the time parameter in exotics seems essential
once the state space axioms are introduced, this does
not mean that exotics are non relativistic. "Time"
in the complex R^4 theory, for example, can be interpreted
as the proper time or path length parameter.
One suspects however, that "time" is really the order
in which one discovers facts about the system rather than anything
more intrinsic. In this case, one might expect that automorphisms of the
time parameter should result in equivalent theories with modified
moments of $(x_t\right arrow x'_{t'})$. Is this correct
and, if so, what are the consequences of invariance
under time automorphisms?
"It is clear from the exotic probability
point of view that a naive picture of quantum computers
doing computations "on all paths simultaneously" must not be
correct. In some sense, the particle can only do so much because it only,
in fact, follows one path through the system.
"\bibitem{nonmeasurablesets} Assuming that $X\times T$
is a sublattice of $L$ implies that probabilities
such as $(a\rightarrow N_t)$ can occur where $N$ is
a non-measurable set. This does not cause problems because we only
assume that $(a\rightarrow b\vee c)=(a\rightarrow
b)+(a\rightarrow c)$ for pairs $(b,c)$ and not
for countable subsets $b_1,b_2,\dots$ with $b_i\wedge b_j=0$ for
all $i\neq j$. "Measure space" in this paper refers to a measure
space with a finite measure.
[Ref. 2] Saul Youssef. Quantum Mechanics
as an Exotic Probability Theory. Presented at the
Workshop on Maximum Entropy and Bayesian Methods, St. John's
College, Santa Fe, New Mexico, August, 1995.Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:08:05 -0400,
"A modified probability theory must provide a way for
probabilities to cancel each other and so an obvious
first guess is to allow probabilities to be complex
numbers.
"You might expect that if quantum mechanical phenomena can be described by complex probability theory, the Bayesian view might help in understanding some of the long standing semi-paradoxical measurement and observer questions in quantum mechanics. Here, it's helpful to first think about a purely classical experiment where a single coin is flipped and then uncovered, revealing that it landed "heads." "From the Bayesian point of view, of course, the situation
before the
"Yes, but what causes $(1/2,1/2)$
to evolve into $(1,0)$ ? How does it happen?"
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